Little Creek Lodge Rehab Review, Reviews, Cost, Complaints

Little Creek Lodge

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Little Creek LodgeThe Basics

Believing that recovery is about empowerment rather than powerlessness, musician Andy Pace opened Little Creek Lodge in 2008. This boutique drug and alcohol treatment facility has been serving the needs of men in the woods of Northeastern Pennsylvania since then. Through alternative and recreational therapies built on a 12-step foundation, the men at Little Creek Lodge learn what an awe-inspiring place the sober world can be.

Accommodations and Food

Thirty minutes north of the Poconos, Little Creek residents share a luxurious ski lodge of a log cabin, surrounded by trees. Sixteen men, ages 18 to 28 share rooms and chores and bathrooms. They work out together, take classes together, play together—the goal here is to establish a brotherhood of men. There is an on-site gym; a fireplace in one of the common lounges and everyone eats together in the dining room on pine bench tables.

While there is a chef on staff and particular attention is paid to nutritional meal planning and dietary constraints, clients help with meal prep and clean up. They are also responsible for all laundry, housework, etc.

There are no cars or computers allowed for the first 30 days. After this, limited access is allowed for school or work or visits home to family members only.

Medication is allowed, but closely monitored. And they are serious about no alcohol—that means no mouthwash or vanilla extract in anyone’s luggage.

Treatment and Staff

This is a small, non-medical facility. Some clients arrive out of detox, others as a continuation of a shorter inpatient program. Little Creek residents are expected to commit to a minimum of 90 days. Recovery at Little Creek Lodge is focused on the community—team building is a key concept, but treatment is still individualized. Each client receives a treatment plan divided into three stages; he moves through these stages at his own pace. During the first stage, group therapy, classes and counseling focus on addiction education, anger management, the five stages of grief, cross addiction and the first three steps of AA. During the second stage learning is focused around relationships (home visits and family integration), spiritual growth and sponsorship in AA. Clients can engage in employment, education or vocational training. Stage three focuses on being of service in the community and continued spiritual growth, as well as aftercare planning and implementation.

12-step principles are the foundation of treatment here—spiritual development and being of service are supplemented with creative and recreational therapies. Adventure activities are built into the schedule. Clients wake up at 7 am. They meet in a group to discuss their goals for the day every morning after breakfast. Exercise, addiction classes and chores keep them busy until lunch. Afternoons are spent in spiritual group, Outward Bound type adventure treks, creative therapies or individual counseling sessions. There is an AA meeting at 8 pm every night after dinner and then an hour for prayer, meditation or step work until lights out at 11 pm. Weekends find clients in the music studio or outside.

The family program is held the first Sunday of every month. Family groups are counselor-guided and minus the resident for the first half of the day. During presentations, a discussion about the disease of addiction, co-dependency, and family roles takes place; Little Creek hosts guest speakers from across the US. During the afternoon, family members have a chance to meet with residents and their corresponding counselors for individual sessions.

There is a two-week no-visitation blackout period when a resident first arrives. Afterwards, visitation is through staff approval only. Hours are from 12 to 5 pm on Sundays. A resident can spend the day away from facility property with his family if he chooses. All visitors need to be back on the property by 5:15 pm.

There are 18 staff members at Little Creek Lodge, serving 16 guys—not all of those are clinicians of course. Typically two therapists see a maximum of eight clients individually and incidentally, group size tops out here as well. The staff includes peer counselors, a consulting physician and an array of accredited alternative therapists; a yoga instructor, a neuromuscular therapist who is also a Masters level Qi Gong practitioner, a spiritual advisor, an adventure co-ordinator, a music therapist, a writing group facilitator with an MFA. The list goes on.

Outside, individual counseling services (and thus, dual diagnosis support) are available for a separate fee; these counseling services are available one to two times weekly and include psychiatry, psychology, private therapy, and pastor or rabbi consultation.

Extras

Little Creek Lodge has an extensive music program. Residents, write, perform and record their own songs. A studio engineer guides residents from start to finish in the recording process in the on-site studio. The result is at least one original CD a year. Creative writing, art classes and woodworking shop are some of the other components of this self-expression therapy.

There is a full gym on the property, a weekly personal trainer, bi-weekly yoga/Tai Chi classes and the aforementioned Qi Gong practitioner on staff. Clients are also taken mountain biking, zip lining, kayaking, mountain skiing, hiking and camping and to the beach—all depending on the season. This extensive list is only a sampling of the extras offered at Little Creek Lodge.

In Summary

It is a common complaint that being sober is boring. Little Creek Lodge shows its clients how to find the thrill in sober living—to be stimulated by themselves and their environments. There is a particular emphasis on the development of their inner selves and the expansion of their daily lives. The extras are notable considering the cost. Men leave here with a sense of what is possible, as part of a solid sober community already implementing their aftercare planning.

Little Creek Lodge
P.O. Box 942
Hamlin, PA 18427

Little Creek Lodge Cost: $6,700 (30 days). Reach Little Creek Lodge by phone at (877) 689-2644 or by email. Find Little Creek Lodge at Facebook, Twitter and Google+

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  1. Great place to stay sober because the residents are keep very active, but zero transition support thus the reason for the high relapse rate. Kind staff, but often just graduates of the place and still in early recovery themselves. Inexperienced staff can do damage to future sobriety goals of those attempting the monumental effort of staying sober today.
    My son does have good memories and still wears his LCL bracelet, however things could have gone better. The effective staff at the lodge is scarce, and they need to be careful about new hires.

    • Anonymous on

      It’s all a scam. Andy is a cock sucker. He likes to hire young, inexperienced, people because they can’t tell he is a shit head. People with experience can see right through him. He isn’t very popular with the locals in recovery who know him on a more personal level. He’s emotionally immature and very self absorbed

  2. As a parent of a child that went this on the “word” that a 30 day stay would cost around $6700.00….I have this to say. The staff is too new to sobriety to be acting as “counselers”. The almighty leader and owner lies about the cost of this place to get a signature then you get socked with a bill 15 to 20 times the amount a few months after completion. Andy and his wife are manipulative and one could only assume learned how to run a business like this in Florida where this kind of fraud runs rampant. I only wish I had seen reviews like this before accepting a verbal “estimated cost” from Andy himself. He is no different than the dealers my kid used to buy from. They try and get the resident to stay in the area for “support”. That support consists of terrorist threats to take a drug test and running at the mouth by the “counselers” to have one evicted based on a failed test without having it sent for official results. HIPPA will be informed since the bill shows partial hospitalization charges. I would assume this would require HIPPA regulations to be followed. This facility preys on the weakness of a parent in distress and will take full advantage of your child’s illness to make a major profit. My bill was well over 100,000 grand for 90 days. With nothing but lies about their support system. If someone relapses they send them to the streets with no support to help them get back on track. My advice is to avoid this place as they will tell you what you want to hear so you will pay them. I should have been clues in by the non stop cussing “rabbi” who thinks he is awesome for using big words. But sadly I was so happy to see my kid sober for a short period of time I bought into Andys mind games. Please rethink where you accept a decent 30 day treatment centers recommendation. And if that facility or owner is on any plaque in that 30 day center it’s a bad thing. I will take this place to court and spread their name to all the major organizations who truly are trying to get these places regulated for reform. I am one pissed off parent who cares for the children that need help and not another bullshit artist to make a few bucks by lying to make that money. My kids dealer was what this places owner was to me. He sold me on his facility based on lies and deception His website claims of honor is just a big lie. I would love to see Andy comment on this and the other comments. But he won’t cause he knows better. I have screenshots that I took to his word of approx $6700 for 30 days. And the bill I have will show he is a lying con artist to this day. How does it feel to be that same person you were when you were using Andy. Just found a way around the illegal drug using days. And found a way to lie and manipulate those that you claim to care about. This place is a fraud. Florida would be proud to welcome you. I will do my best to expose you and your facility as a fraudulent do whatever it takes to make a buck while misinforming the paying parents of your scheme. how much extra so you make renting your houses to the grads of your 90 day program by convincing them to rent a room with other addicts that could relapse at anytime? Awesome residual income by getting that lease to make sure they pay when ya send em on thie way instead of providing the so called support system. Can’t wait to keep giving the experience you provided my family to the large support groups.

    • Robert Thornton on

      Hello Terry,
      I am a concerned parent who also has a son in Little Creek Lodge rehab facility.
      I am encountering much of the same issues that you are mentioning in your post. I would like to speak with you if you don’t mind. My email address is [email protected]. Once you teach out to me via email.. I would like to give you my phone number if you’re okay with that. I hope to hear from you soon.
      Sincerely
      Mr Robert Thornton

  3. It’s a halfway house with a few added gimmicks. Rehab isn’t really necessary for a person to recover. Andy Pace even admits that he never went to rehab. He just went to AA and AA is free. He makes money by encouraging people to go to AA which is free. What a racket. The adventure treks they do are about the only thing they do different from other places and they aren’t necessary. Skiing and kayaking trips don’t keep people sober. People do those things while they are using so why would they help people recover? Most people recover without the gimmick programs at Little Creek.

  4. Andy’s wife is his higher power. The guy is a quack. I think he lies about his music career. Question him about it. Every one I spoke to in recovery who knows him hates him. He is superficial.

  5. It isn’t the worst place but there isn’t too much about Little Creek that separates it from other facilities. The place is a gimmick. A lot of the stuff they do there isn’t really necessary to help a person recover. The Adventure Treks are nice but they really have nothing to do with recovery. I guess in some sense they could actually hurt a person if they affiliate certain activities with using. For example, I stopped fishing for the first few years of my recovery because I associated fish with drinking. Me and my drinking buddies would “go fishing” when we wanted to get loaded and be left alone. It took me awhile before I could fish without craving alcohol. Really the only thing a person needs to focus on during the first year is their program. Luxuries like skiing trips and such aren’t really important. Also, Little Creek tends to get to involved with their clients activities in AA. For example, they tell clients not to go beyond the third step while they are at the lodge. That is just idiotic. If a person is ready and willing there is no reason they shouldn’t go through the steps as fast as they can. Most facilities don’t tell clients what to do in 12 step programs they merely suggest that they go to them. The funny thing is that rehabs such as Little Creek pride themselves on professionalism and than encourage clients to go to AA which is completely nonprofessional. My experience was that what a person learns in rehab doesn’t really apply to the real world or AA/NA.

  6. Arthir Courtland on

    I worked there for a little while and the other reviews are accurate. The place isn’t anything special. The food is good and the chef is a good guy. The owner is full of himself and very superficial. For what a person spends to go there they could find a much better treatment facility. Personally, I would go to a cheaper facility. I went to a no frills rehab and can say the treatment was of much higher quality than what a person receives at Little Creek. I think Little Creek is just a way for the owner to satisfy his ego by playing God with the clients. As noted above he encourages clients to stay in the area and will tell their parents that clients who do have a 70% success rate. That is not true at all. He only claims that because he wants them to stay in one of his recovery houses.

  7. This facility is not all that its website claims it is. First I will start with the good. The food is amazing, the accommodations and the furnishings of the place are great, and the overall feel of the facility is good. Now time for the bad. The staff is not very professional and the “counselors” are not certified counselors and are basically just techs or staff, not counselors at all. The staff also is very young and very prone to relapse like the other review says. They do not act professional on or off the property. Also, anything that a patient does that is not recommended by the staff is basically an automatic vote off of their “recovery island.” Also, if a patient is sick the staff will make them participate in outdoor adventure treks when they should be resting in bed. The phone situation is a mess. The music studio is not really a full, state-of-the-art music studio. Basically, you could find a better treatment center for less money than this one. And do not let them convince you to stay in the area. Scranton, PA and the surrounding areas are not good places for recovery. Their are not a whole lot of good people here to really steer you in the right direction. In conclusion, I personally think that if you want to pay as much money as Little Creek Lodge costs, you could be in a luxurious rehab facility. So, save your money and go to a reasonably prices facility and DO NOT go to Scranton, PA.

  8. Little creek lodge is terrible straight up. The initial rehab is not bad and it is very comfortable however, the people just suck. The staff, with the exception of a few, is full of kids that are prone to relapse. They act so high and mighty like they know everything about recovery and then they end up relapsing. The higher up staff is generally cool, Andy Pace can be a bit crazy. The main problem is the day to day “kid” staff. They are unprofessional and just all around bad. If, God forbid, you choose to stay in the area you will be shunned if you do one little thing that they don’t agree with. They are super cliquey and gossipy about everything (probably because there is nothing better to do in Scranton, PA). To reiterate, the initial rehab isn’t too bad, it is a bit annoying and boring like all rehabs but is comfortable and the food is good. However, the people are bad and act like a bunch of teenage girls.

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